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I have never forgiven Oliver stone for what he did to Patricia Keneally in the Doors. it is still hard for me to watch him or like him, even knowing he's converted to Buddhism. it is hard watching him talk, even when I agree with him, because in the back of my head, I am thinking of him and Val Kilmer being grade A jerks to a woman who was dealing with the stirring of the ashes of her personal dead. What kind of person makes someone who's been through all that? yes, it's hard for me to really enjoy Val Kilmer too, despite my appreciation of Kiss, kiss, Bang, Bang.