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here i will give a list of misconceptions about men.

number one: that we're all just pigs. people think that all guys ever care about is getting laid. men get raped and the girls twist the story around. nothing the guy can do. a girl starts getting so forward with a guy and so he tells her he has a girlfriend. the girl gets angry at him, tells one of her friends or her mom, and the guy get's yelled at, called a pervert or a rapist. THIS PISSES ME OFF!! scream

number two: that we're always jerks, or too dominant. oh realy? are we now? history check ladies look where you are now!! i see at LEAST as many women behaving that way everywhere i look!! talk about sexual equality, gimme a break!! femminism has been corrupted into a ******** league of amazon female supremists!! nothing but lesbians talking about forming completely matriarchal societies!! kiss my a**!!

number 3: that we can't parent without the help of a woman. BULLSHIT!! scream i've been taking care of PLENTY of kids, and people my own age, from infants to toddlers to munchkins to teens!! and every single one of them has grown WAY better off then they were before, i had NO help whatso ******** ever!!!

these are just a few things that piss me off. and i will say, for once in my life, i am PROUD to be a man goddamnit! that's all for now, and i don't care what you people here have to say about tyhis, because it's going in my journal too.

EXACTLY! gonk now that is whati wanna hear! none of this s**t about patriarchies or matriarchies! i'm sick of it all!

heh, quite frankly androgeny is the hottest s**t in the whole ******** orld i don't care what nobody else says man! xd

Androgeny is really hot! I'm glad someone agrees! And gender roles are completely useless. Guys that can cook and such are awesome, but I'm not so much on emotional guys. I kinda have the emotional range of a teaspoon, so I don't know how to really deal with people that don't. ><

Yeah I hear you both there. Did either of you hear about the guy who lost his right as a father to his daughter because of some corrupt law in Oregon? That was the worst. The mother just decided for him that she was going to put their child up for adoption. The dad tried calling and everything but was completely ignored so the court went with mom's decision and now the Dad's child is being raised by complete strangers and he's not allowed to see his child ever until she reaches the age of 18. The worsed part about this is, the dad did absolutely nothing wrong!!! But because our society is raised to believe that if a woman claims a man incapable of being a father, we have to believe it and it is automaticaly leaving most men having to pay child support but not even able to see their child. That's unfair. I've come to find that a lot of men out there aren't the dead beat dad's society has made them out to be. They actualy want to be a part of their child's life but are blocked from doing so. It really just sickens me sometimes. And like Distorted said, s**t like this has been done by both sides really.

Some feminists do take things too far, but it is kind of present in a lot of praces or groups. It is like, overcompensation to make up for the past. That is probalby why a lot of black people are so rude and infact are more racist than many white people now, since they are so busy looking for flaws in the group that they hate and that had suppressed them in the past that they are now becoming there own enemy.

Anyways, with that said though, some of the steriotypes are true of a lot of guys. There are a lot of guys that are dominating, that want to tell there girlfriends what to do. I have met so many men like that, it is true that that is out there. I tis like, social programming what each sex is supposed to be like, so you have way more frilly cutsey girls and way more domaninating men than you have dominating woman and cutesey men.

So you are raging against something you are upset with, but you also are going a bit far, since some of those steriotypes are true of the majority in the country. It is just now that some steriotypes are starting to change, woman are perhaps being more pushy, but still, they usually are only pushy with other girls and are cutsey around guys, and let them be the "man".

Anyways, men usually don't get raped, it is very rare. If the man tries to say no and the girl keeps coming, he is stronger most likely and can stop it, so no, I dont' think many men get raped. They have the power and physical force to say no usually, what you may mean is that girls perhaps manipulate situations or lie about what happened, which can happen as girls are socially aggressive more than boys (who are usually more physically aggressive).

NO! once you got to th part about men and rape that is where i lose my patience! evil those kinds of manipulations are STILL rape!! it isn't hard at all to blackmail anybody, and men all over the place can be raped so easily, either by other men, or by women or girls. i would know, i've been raped many times by either, and there is nothing i can do about it, i have to keep my mouth shut and not tell any authorities!! cause my word in a court of law against a girl!? get ******** real! who's gonna believe me!? and i've spoken to plenty of other guys who also had it like this!! do not EVER say that it's rare that men get raped, it isn't rare it's just kept underground, so that we don't get further victimized! so that we rape victims don't get tossed in jail, or else humiliated!!

as for the "more dominating men and cutsey grls" no also! those are pretty damn even actualy! there are as many great guys out there as assholes, and as many tyranical bitches out there as darlings!

now i am willing to concede that other than that psyche, you made great points, and i agree. but those things right there i pointed out, that is what i am trying to gather awareness of. it's only because of gender-role stereotypes that male rape-victims are not heard about. if they were heard about the stories would be twisted up. i am living that.

Rape is when you are physically forced or keep saying no and it doesn't work. Many of the times when girls said "no" but don't make physical tries to push the dude off they do not win in court. Infact, even when they do push the dude off a lot of times they still loose in court!

So NO, it is NOT RAPE if you are manipulated, it is MANIPULATION. Rape is when you are forced, so don't try to tread on s**t to try to act like you know how it is. If someone messes with your head, when you are not under drugs, it will feel like you were raped, but at the time you were agreeing, then legally that is not rape unless you were under severe manipulation that completely changed your mind (as in you were broken and are going to be put in a mental institution)

What you are doing is comparing two things that are very different, and it is INSULTING to anyone that has been raped that physically tried to stop it for you to call you getting cohersed but not physically fighting back or saying no tones of times and trying to push them off atleast a bit rape as well. (exception naturally if someone is drugged) They are NOT the same thing what so ever.

If you didn't want to sleep with someone, then you could have said no, you could have resisted the manipulation and the such. If they weren't physically overpowering you, you could have said no, left the room, etc. You have control of your own will, if you let someone else convince you to sleep with them, and then feel nasty about it afterwards, that isn't rape. That is a bad decision, and a lack of you exercising your true will. (exception again is if you make the decision while under drugs)
That is not just there fault, it is your fault as well. If someone is raped while they are physically and mentally resisting, then that is a lot different than being cohersed into it, giving in, then feeling bad later and feeling raped. It isn't the same, it is still bad, but when someone physically is fighting back and still gets raped that is not there fault at all, and so is called rape. There are different words for different reasons, it isn't to say that being manipulated doesn't stink as well, but it isn't the same thing as rape.

It sounds more like you want to make a big deal out of the fact you don't have self control, and feel bad after you do something. And what you may mean to say is a lot of men are manipluated, and again, same with girls. a lot of people in general manipulate each other, all the time. And some do wind up into bed since they are convinced of something or cohersed, but if they don't have a will to resist during the rape, due to giving it up, that is partially there issue for not using there will. Manipulation is wrong, but it isn't illigal unless it was severe (as in locking up a child for years and brainwashing them) Smaller manipulations are bad, but not usually going to hold up in court since, if you are sane of mind, you had the will and could have resisted, but you didn't, and you need to work on your mentality so that you are not swayed into doing or being something you don't want to be. That is on you though. I have been manipulated before by people, nothing severe severe, but manipulated into giving out information or thinking that someone was telling the truth blah blah. Anyways, I accept that responsibility, I let it happen, I didn't see through the vineer and lies. Now it is time for you to accept some responsibility, and stop just blaming all your problems on other people, as part of oit is you. And yes, part of it is the a*****e manipulators, but they exist, so you have to work on yourself so that you have faith in who you are and don't stray into things you don't want to do or be.

You don't get it, how people COME off, yes, that is the general here for the most part. As I said, girls are socially aggressive, and so yes, they will seem cutsey in public but to other girls in a smaller group they can be nasty as hell. There are MANY people that don't fit the mold, the steriotype, BUT the majority of any catagory falls into those steriotypes, which is why I cite them. It isn't to say that there aren't others that are outside of those steriotypes, as there are, just that that is the most dominant catagorys.

Actually, yes, there are. There are dominant parties, dominate catagories. I am majoring in psychology, and we do touch into sociology, so yes, there are. If you don't like it, then go live in ignorance. It is just the fact that many people do fall into general catagories, and while there are definitely other catagories, there is a dominant trend.

i cannot believe you! evil this is why i hate having law-cultures!! for one, i am NOT talking about just convincing somebody, i'm talking about being ******** blackmailed! if the victim were to mak ethe choic eto not have sex with his or her offender then something terrible that cannot be coped with happens!! and regardless of whether it is LEGALLY concentual, it is STILL rape if it was forced on the victim in any way! so ******** you if you wanna get into this bullshit! evil talk about responcibility, idid take responcibility! i sacrificed my own comfort and dignity for the sake of others i care about! i slept with people i did not in the LEAST want to sleep with so that they wouldn't hurt peopel i care about! you say that for me to consider that rape is embarressing to those her were beaten or bound, and struggled to try to get away? it's all the same ******** thing when it comes right down to it!

@ prince romanov

No, I cannot believe you. I thought you could change and get less self obsessed, and it is never going to happen. You are one of those fools that is incapable of an objective(as in not always being 100% subjective) thought at all.

If you do something, you either A. Stick behind it, or B. Admit you were wrong and take the hit.

That way, there is no way to be blackmailed. If someone knows something about you that you are ashamed of, face it, and admit to it, and then they have NO power over you.

No, this is bullshit, you are bullshit! you can't accept that you have to take responsibility for your s**t. If something happens you have the choice to face what you are ashamed of and not let them blackmail you! If you can't do that it is your weakness. I can't see why you wouldn't face something unless it was something that would send you to jail, then I coudl see you getting blackmailed over it and not wanting to fight with them. But again, they aren't the only manipulators around, you can mainpulate right back to get them to not want you.

No, it isn't the same thing. If you say you were doing it for others, then you have to talk to them about there issues, and get them to face there troubles. If the person was saying they were going to hurt them (physically) unless you slept with them, call the cops. If they said they were going to devulge information about someone you care about if you didn't sleep with them, then it is on those friends to face there skeletons and the such. Because honestly, either thing they are blackmailing over, just giving them what they want isn't going to solve it. They will eventually do the thing they said they wouldn't when they are bored of you, or have other instigation. The one thing to always remember is you can NEVER trust a blackmailer.

THERE IS A BIG ******** DIFFERENCE!

someone that is raped by being physically bound has no choice, you HAVE A CHOICE if you are being manipulated or blackmailed. You could say no, you have that power.

@ Distorted

I am not justifying the common trends, I am just saying that there ARE dominat trends. And if you notice, I am saying that rape is when you are physically forcing someone, or if you drugged them, or resisted them saying no over and over again. I am saying it is not rape if you agree to it due to letting someone talk you into it, since you had the CHOICE and choose to sleep with them.

then picture this psyche:

you and a person you thought you knew and trusted are talking at a party around thanksgiving, and at one point he asks if he can talk to you in private. so soon as you are alone he tells you that the gun he showed you he bought the other week, he isn't afraid to use it on your best friend. tells you that if you don't hook up with him he'll shoot her. says he'll shoot you if you tell her. now tell me honestly, in that situation, what would you do? huh? sure it might sound like it's easy to deal with when it isn't personal, when it's not so specific. but when it realy happens it's ******** scary. so don't go telling me that i could have just said no when my friends' lives are being threatened.