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This was all on Facebook... I've placed it in my notes, so you will have to read the first half over here.
I would like to apologized my vague and somewhat ways of referring the gays. Gay is gay. To me, if you're "gay", it means you love someone of your same gender. Gay doesn't mean man on man and lesbian being woman on woman. Lesbian, to me, is just a specific way of saying "I am now talking about a woman gay." End of discussion. You can't change my mind, so don't try.
** I change nothing, everything is directly copy and paste. Some of you may agree with me, while others with her. Voice your opinion if you wish, it will only further amuse me~ Especially if you get all violent like wink
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Title i need someone to talk to.
Muru and your one of few people on here who acts some what nice to me....
Dollie O.o;; It's not act tho..... So, what has been bothering you?
Muru its so lonely not having people who see things my way. its so sad and lonely. you say i need to compromise? but how is it fear that its never my way, that i am always wrong....I have mental problems that i'm working my best on and i people attack me for how i feel, you know people don't need to read what i say, they can block me or block my post.... its just so lonely sad
Dollie True, they can simply block you..... but you do have over four hundred friends. There isn't a lot of people who sees things your way, but there are a few. There will always be someone believing something different from you. We have so many people in the world, you can't expect to get along with every one of them. However, when you start saying someone's beliefs or someone's preference is wrong and that they shouldn't be happy or continue living, how do you think that make a lot of them feel? It's like saying "you can't love the color red or you can't love the fruit strawberry." What you don't like it's for you, you can't go telling other people they are wrong when they're not. To you, they may be, but if you turn the table around... they are seeing that you are wrong as well. There is no right or wrong when it comes to something so general. Everything is a double-edge blade; there will always be two side of the argument on everything. Abortion, religion, beliefs, preferences. Life isn't an algebra problem where we only have to solve for x. There's no right or wrong. You can't get it or don't get it. Life is a trial and error, you have to make lots of mistakes before you get the hang of things. You know, if you have mental problems, it might help if you talk to someone professional, like a therapist. However, if you're just bottling a lot in your life, it would be easier to just vent/rant and let loose of all the build up hot air within you. You'll feel much better once you release it ^__^
Muru i am talking to someone but they suck...all they do is force pills down my throat sad its still not fair though i have bad eyes cause i cry so much that they bleed, i was made fun of so much in school and yet i get in trouble when i try to get rid of some of the stress my body has (trust me i've tryed all the ways people think of) and why is it not ok for me to express myself but its ok for the gay people to express well there gayness?
Dollie I am guessing, depressing pills? O__O;; Yeah, professional help.... they do tend to do that.... I heard you have to give them some time (the therapist, not the pills). Hm, I'm not sure how to answer that properly... I guess it's the way you express it (the whole death thing and deserving no happiness). A lot of people see those who don't accept the gays as closed-minded people. It's hard for me to understand your side because I am a very open person. I welcome just about anything and everything. Sure, I don't like tomatoes and onions on my burgers, but I don't see anything wrong with people having preferences in their own gender. What they do is their business, and most of them actually love each other. To me, love is important... as I've stated before, if a woman can treat me better than a man, I would take that woman over a man any day. I haven't met a woman like that, but I know that if by chance, one did cross my path, I would take her as my partner. I enjoy just about any company that appreciates my company in return. There are a lot of people who don't like the gays. Hating gays is like hating a race, you get a lot of attackers who are ready to defend them. A lot of people don't openly hate them, they quietly and discreetly hate them. Think of it this way: I knitted a sweater for my beloved, a lot of people didn't like it... they tossed it on the ground, stepped on it, and tossed dirt all over it. I would be hurt and sad because something I've worked so hard on for the one I love has been trashed upon. With gays, people have friends who are gay or is gay themselves. Gays are humans too, and they deserve happiness just like everyone else. Just because you're Black, Asian, White, or whatever, that doesn't mean you suddenly get deny the rights of any other human being. A human being is something that breaths, eats, sleeps, poos, laughs, cries, and works.
Muru ya but i hardly have time. yes but is that only people going with the flow? i mean 50 years ago i could say all the things i did in public and nothing would have been done.... the whole love reason is why i hate gay people i have 0ne person who lives in pa my gf who i've known for about 4 years know and i love her with all my heart. and i take it as a punch to my soul to know that gay people want to be able to be married like what me and my gf want... i think hating a race is wrong but i think hating gays is a built in thing, after all they do not reproduce and as a living creature even we humans have the built in want to keep the human race around. the whole happiness thing...why do they get it but i don't? do you think i deserve to go to jail for what i did? :/
Dollie Fifty years ago................... you weren't even born then, why does it matter? O__o;; You can't compare a lot of things with what happened fifty years ago. Look at the economy, look at the gas, look at the debts. Times change. Women used to be quiet when it came to oppression against them, what happened? They fought for their rights, and bam, now we have feminists running their mouths off. Civil wars? Blacks. Pearl Harbor? Japanese. Although we aren't having a war, this time and era belongs to the gays. Look at prop 8, gays are fighting for their rights just like many other races before their time. Marriage is a piece of paper, an official document that binds the two couple together... it doesn't mean s**t. However, it does ensure that if something were to happen to one spouse, the other spouse would be able to keep their housings and possession. People buy insurances and for what reason? To feel secured. Marriage papers is no different for gays. It is a security for those who live together and invested in a house together. If the house you worked so hard on with your girlfriend, but it could only be in your girlfriend's name.... and if you girlfriend had an accident and passed away. Do you know what happens to the house that doesn't have your name? It gets taken away, her family gets to do whatever they want with it. It doesn't matter if you lived with her, poured money into the house with her... all that does not matter. How would that make you feel? You guys were happily living together, and when death plays its part... don't you want to feel secured, even after you girlfriend's death? Don't want you keep that house that has so many memories made between the two of you? That, is what the marriage papers serves. That security. Well if you're going to bring in the cannot produced thing... then that means all those who can't produced normally is tossed into the mix. There are a lot of couples who struggle because one of the partner cannot produce. The woman cannot bear a child, the man cannot provide healthy sperms. Just because the gays cannot produce children normally, that doesn't mean the women cannot go to the sperm bank and the men cannot adopt. Gays aren't the only ones who can't produced. What do you have to say about those happily married couples who can't have children the normal way as well? Does this mean women after the age of 55 should not be with their husbands because they cannot produced anymore? "Oh, your clock has stopped ticking, I can now get a divorce with you." Is that what you want to see all the grandpas doing? How are you not happy? The happiness thing is measured by each individual. You don't have to be happy with everything, that's not what happiness is. Happiness is the time you spend with your girlfriend, the things you guys do together, the things you guys share together. Does she make you happy? Yes? Then that's happiness. Just because there are rapist running around, gays being happy, that shouldn't stop you from being happy. No, I don't think you deserve to be in jail for what you did. All you did was express yourself verbally... although, I can see how some people would fear that you might act upon the killing and hurting as some people does go through with what they say. However, I don't think you're the type to actually go out and kill a thousand babies or try to off every gay person you see.
Muru but hate is natural its meant to be express just like love.... .....i'm so sad. its not fair? how are gays a race? its a choice just like murdering or are we going to some time in future say that a murder as rights? i hate this country cause its dose noting but bring me pain... i hate how no one cares about my right....
Dollie You have plenty of rights. Just as you have the rights to express yourself, so do they. It goes both ways, just like a double-edge blade. Expression of hatred is not as welcoming as love... you will get whiplash. If you're prepared for it, then express the hate... otherwise, keep it in a journal and not out in the public. What you did was like setting a whole bunch of puppies on fire in city hall. People will most likely express their anger on you. If you want to avoid that, burn those puppy in your basement. As someone has stated, for a lot of gays, it's not a choice... they were born that way. There will always be something you don't like in this world, gay people is one of them... just accept it xDD;; Life in general is annoying, but there are some fun times, and it's those times that makes it bearable.
Muru how is saying i want all gays dead (words) the same as doing an action? hate can only be expressed strongly, putting in a journal dose not work... but it is a choice...thats like saying a racist, or a rapist has right cause its in there gene, just like a person can choose not to murder, a gay can choose not to be gay... why should i have to accept it? .....i want to die.....why should i be made to feel this way...... but what if those time are out numbered 1 to a 1000? how is that fair? see outside of my gf i can never have any one who is willing to see my way, the world is so closed mined..
Dollie Some people will go through extreme lengths to get what they want. Didn't I just say that for some gays, it's not a choice? =/ I get your point, and some people aren't gay by choice. Some of them are... and what they choose have nothing to do with you. It doesn't make you gay, they aren't hitting on you (or are they?) If you want to die, then die. No one's stopping you (aside from your family, girlfriend, and loved ones). Life is cruel, time will stop for no one. It will continue to turn, one life, few lives, a thousand lives. Nothing will stop the clock from ticking, just as nothing will stop the invisible force that's producing the two sides to clash upon each other. Those for gays and those against gays. I am not asking to you accept it, I'm just saying there's nothing that can be done. That is the part that should be accepted. Not the gays being gay. If you choose to express yourself and picked a side, then be prepared for a battle... if not, just sit quietly and distract yourself with other wonders of life to pass the time. The world is not closed minded. You are just meeting a lot of people who clashes what you believe in. Most communities are supportive of gays, including Gaia and Facebook. Trust me, there are a bunch of Republicans and whatnot who believe the same thing you do: the gays are an outcast. They are in a certain area, you just have to look at the right place to find them.
Muru to bad i thought you could be a friend....but eh i should have know better...... why should i be the one that die.....why is there life worth any more than mine well one day be it a god or just nature itself gays will get whats coming to them.... one last thing, a person who likes to have sex with his pet dog, we all see that as wrong, well most of us...should he be allowed to have the same right as a person in a humanXhuman realtionship?
Dollie =w=;; I'm not saying you should go die... I'm saying, if you feel strongly about dying, then go do what you want to do. I am not stopping you because it is not my place to tell you what you should and should not do. I am someone you can talk to, not your mother. You know what's good for you, you know what's BEST for you. If you want to die, then die. I am not advising or suggesting that you should... there are so much to do and so much to experience. Why let the gays bother you when there are much more other things to think about. You don't have to die if you don't want to. Your life is not worth any less than anyone else in this world. Not even the president. A life is a life. What that person does with his dog is his problem. It's disturbing, yes, but if it makes him happy............. we have no right to tell him to stop. We can talk about how disturbing and "wrong" that is to us, but in the end, it's just another topic for people to talk about. Regardless of what he does with his dog, he still has the rights of a humanxhuman relationship. Even people with HIV/AIDS have someone to ********. Everyone has the rights to be with someone they want to be with. If the two party in question wants to be together, who can really say that it's REALLY wrong. They can say it's wrong, but to them, it's not.
Muru ......your way of thinking is as wrong as they come. gays are not people, they are mistakes. there is no reason why gays should have the same rights as a strait person like me. marriage is by definition: the union between a man and a woman, yes i'm sure you can bring up how that has been change, but thats crap, what right do people have to change the meaning of words just to fit there agenda. if gays are not stop we will one day have a world where its ok to be a *****. how do you ask? long ago gays were seen as wrong (they are) and now after all there bitching and nagging, people are giving in to them, so who's to say people who like "younger people" won't come together and get rights that other people have. there is no such thing as good and evil, saying something is evil is just a way to get people to join with you to fight off what you don't like. how ever there is a such thing as right and wrong. on a test if you are asked what 7+8 is and can choose between A 14 b 9 c 15 or d 18. there is only one right answer to that. just like man + woman = right, gay+gay= wrong. there is not two right answer. gays are not a race, a race is the color of your skin, not who you want to ********, once more, if gays are a race than so are ***** and in that case the entire world is racist toward ***** for there way of life. gays do not feel love, to feel love, there must be man and a woman who care about each other. the ONLY REASON gays are getting rights now is that the world is being pussiefied and that people want to act like there on the right side, so they stand up for gay rights, when 70 years ago they would have hated gays. gays will get whats coming to them in the end, be it a god, or nature itself, being gay is not natural, because the natural thing to do is to be with the opposite sex. other wises there would be only one sex. its like having two of the same puzzle and trying to put together a puzzle with two of same parts. its not how it should be done. don't act like you know how the word works you green horn, every reason you gave me, is noting more that that of a child's way of thinking. hate is in all truthfulness what makes this world of ours go around. people need to hate something, and have the ability to express that hate. and gays are easy to hate cause they and there way of life is not the right way. think of this way, if the first human turned out to be gay then were would we be. i am going to block you now, know that what i say is right.
ChiiDoLLx · Sat Apr 24, 2010 @ 04:45pm · 0 Comments |
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